Ano Bansa Pinaka Maganda Makakuha ng Citizenship?

Suddenly_Susan

Kase lahat na man tayo alam ang answer ay hindi SG hehe. Expensive to raise a family, walang masyadong benefits kung nawalan ka ng trabaho or kung madanta ka na walang naipon, etc.etc.

So san nga ba? Who's acquired another nationality in a developed world and ano masasabi nyo?

popoy

@Suddenly_Susan narinig ko lang maganda raw benefits ang Australia/New Zealand at family oriented sila..

bobong

opinion ko lang, Canada, libre daw paaral ng mga bata until 17yrs old. If single parent may makukuha na allowance ang bata/anak habang nag aaral.
Maganda ang serbisyo ng public hospital at public dental clinic, di na kailangan mag private
Madanda din daw ang benipisyo kung ikaw ang pensyonado na.

AhKuan

Sa akin SG pa rin. May baby bonus (cash + matching) kada anak. Libre din pagaaral nila sa primary school at $15 kada buwan naman sa secondary. Madami na rin mga benefits sa mga pamilya ngayon. May grants din sa pagbili ng bahay. Safety din isa sa mga nagugustuhan ko. Accessible sa lahat. Yung passport naman, top 2 sa mga number ng mga bansa na di na kailangan ng visa. Madali lang makauwi sa pinas.

Admin

In terms of Citizenship ok rin dito. totoo sabi ni @ekme! same thought. mura ang primary schooling ng bata. alam nyo ba na world class ang education dito compared sa Australia? sabi nila sobra daw strict daw at pressure sa mga bata, samin naman hindi ko gagawin sa anak ko un knowing papatayin mo anak mo sa stress. sabi nga ng boss ko na Briton, bakit daw gusto ko sa Education sa Australia, e nandito ka na sa SG, ang taas ng Ranking ng SG sa Buong mundo in terms of Education. tapos alam nyo ba na pwede nyo gamitin ang CPF nyo sa College or Uni ng anak nyo pag Citizen ka? tapos pay later na lang pag nagwork na anak nyo? yes PUB rin may quarterly na rebates sa mga citizen. tapos pag maganda takbo ng economy may pa cash ang Gov't sa mga tao. i also like ung skills upgrade. balak ko mag post diploma para matakpan na ung School ko sa pinas ng Singapore brand. haha pero PR is 1.1 to 1.4k while 400 plus naman sa mga Local. imagine the difference?

http://www.tp.edu.sg/courses/part-time-courses/diploma-by-schools/school-of-informatics-and-it/specialist-diploma-in-internet-of-things#tab4

http://www.np.edu.sg/cet/courses/Pages/specialistdiploma.aspx (check the coursefee)

Suddenly_Susan

pffft.. I have real doubts. SG doesn't even crack into the top 20 of most liveable places on earth. Australia/Canada/NZ/Scandinavian countries however....

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mercer_Quality_of_Living_Survey #22
http://pages.eiu.com/rs/eiu2/images/EIU_BestCities.pdf #26

I think kase kayo you're basing it purely on comparison between PH and SG.

Admin

Depends on what you are looking for. You will need to visit those Ideal places to have a first hand feeling, like for our case my wife and I have visited Australia and US. So far in terms of safety kasi sa kids hinahanap namin. But to be honest if hindi papasa one more time PR and/or Citizenship Application namin dito sa SG. need to do Plan C. Kung ayaw talaga wag pilitin. We have friends who have migrated to AU na former SG based. They all said kung naging PR lang cla hindi sila aalis ng SG. kasi maganda ang ipon sa SG. Pero right now mas pumapanget ang takbo ng economy ng SG. not sure kung masasabi parin nila un. hehehe.

Suddenly_Susan

Yeah @Admin I hear you. For sure maganda ang ipon dito sa SG. Pero tinitignan ko mga friends ko na nag migrate din sa australia or sa canada. ang lalaki ng mga bahay. laki ng mga backyard. may mga koche kadalasan more than 1. Not sure lang kase kung gusto ko mag hintay ng 10 years rejection after rejection for a PR (let alone citizenship) and for what? to be stressed out working and to live in a HDB for a way of life? Can't help talaga but to see how other developed countries do it.. A low tax rate and high savings bank account probably isn't how I would define quality of life...

Admin

@Suddenly_Susan yea. Depende sa current situation mo. If you are not a PR. You dont have other choice but to migrate same with my other friends who are pass holders. It's about securing your future. Kahit kame rin like i said kung ayaw ng SG i pr mga anak ko or citizen kame dito, no choice for me. Still future ng buong family nakataya dito. We wont be in our prime till the end of our life. Kung san productive or kumikita ng malaki dun muna ko. Until I have enough to migrate the whole family. Plan carefully.

Admin

@ekme, yah depende sa life style. kasi may mga kilala kame dito hirap mag decide mag move out. PR family anak PR, may malaking HDB at condo dito. kumikita ng 20k combined household income, sa AU hindi daw nila kikitain ung sweldo na yun. And besides daw ang Lupa sa AU e norms duon while dito sa SG HDB ang norms, so different comaprison daw kasi ginagawa natin kapag sinabi na sa AU may lupa pero sa SG hangin. at take note mahal din ang bahay sa Sydney especially sa malapit sa CBD, mamahal pa daw kesa SG. sa CBD naman puro condo rin bibilin mo. parang down grade ng SG ka daw pag sa CBD ka nakatira.

AhKuan

May narinig ako na sa 2020 pa daw magluluwag ulit yung mga approvals kasi pinaplano pa nila mga infra at housing developments. Kagaya nung bagong town na bubuksan nila at yung mga mrt lines. Di mo na kailangan ng kotse dito kasi dami na taxi/uber/grab etc ....

popoy

reality check..hindi ganun kadali mag apply citizenship sa mga bansang gsto ntin. at hindi lahat ng ngmimigrate sa ibang bansa nakukuha nila gsto nilang work or ngiging successful..

Admin

@AhKuan suspetsa ko rin around that time magsisimula. eto hula ko lang ha. given the trend or situation now. economy crisis happens every 10yrs cycle. kung last was 2008. so malupit sa 2018. then give 2 yrs the fastest na ha. to recover from it. by that time marami ng bakanteng HDB at condo. pricing will go down and kailangan nila mag invite ulit ng mga mag occupy ng mga yan. remember foreigner lang ang capable mag rent. karamihan or halos lahat ng Local may HDB na.

Admin

@reyven haha oo nga pala. sa AU need mo mag stay for 5yrs bago ma-eligible sa pag apply ng citizenship. naisip ko kung citizen dito den mag PR sa ibang bansa. no turning back sa pinas. haha

Vincent17

Kung gusto nio magmigrate sa AU at NZ dalian nio na.. pahigpit ng pahigpit na sila..

Like NZ sobrang taas na ng points required sa SMC.
Ganun din ang AU na sobrang hirap narin.

basta as long na tinatanggap tayo sa SG, tuloy parin..
aminin nio dito kayo yumaman.. haha

bobong

para sa akin naman ay, kung naging PR lang si kumander at mga anakis ko , dito nalang talaga kami. eka nga gamay na kasi namin ang Singapore (pati bilihan ng saging na saba at siling palay alam ko kung saan ang bilihan,,LOL) at priority kasi namin ay magkakasama kami, safety ng mga anak/family, decent education.
Yung iba di na namin iniisip, kotse, landed property at magarbong lifestyle(unless tumama ako sa TOTO hongbao draw sa susunod na taon)

jaegu

Guys, ask ko ln sa mga pinipili na to stay in other countries (SG/AU/NZ), worth it pa ba magkaron ng sariling bahay sa pinas? Need opinion. TY

bobong

@jaegu madami kasing factor:
1. Kung sobra sobra pera mo ok lang mag invest ng bahay sa pinas.
2. Sinu ang mag sstay sa bahay na nabili mo, magulang, kerida, papaupahan, or tetenga lang. Kailangan din kasi ng maintenance ng house, sabi nga ng mga karpintero kapag ang bahay walang nakatira madaling magapok or baka magkaroon ng mumu..
3. Madalas kabang umuwi ng pinas and gagawin mo itong bahay bakasyunan.
4. Kung malapit kanabang magretiro, karamihan kasi sa ating mga balikbayan na malapit na magretiro nagpapagawa na ng retirement house nila. Tulad ng mga Pinoy/US citizen umuuwi parin ng pinas para magretiro tapos kinukuha nalang nila yung pension.
5. At marami pang iba. pero sa tingin ko if young family kayo tapos nag migrate sa ibang bansa for good. wag muna bumili or pagawa ng house sa pinas. Ibuhus nyo muna ang pera nyo sa savings at settlement fund na napiling nyong bansa.

AhKuan

@jaegu, depende po. Kung frequent pa rin ang uwi mo sa pinas, mas mabuti na may sariling bahay ka pa rin doon. Explore mo yung mga Condotel. May magmamanage na habang wala ka at may income pa. May tutuluyan ka rin kapag uuwi ng pinas.

jaegu

Salamat @bobong kung sasagutin ko ung mga factor:
1. wala pang extra pera, nagiipon pln din
2. yun din ang dko lam since single pko mid 20s at planning to marry pa
3. yes bahay bakasyunan
4. definitely hindi pa retirement
5. good option talaga to since pag nagmigrate start from scratch

@AhKuan , salamat check ko yan condotel ngayon ko ln din narinig.

Tonski

I will just have to compare NZ as we are staying here. Ang masasabi ko lang hindi kami nagkamali sa pag pili namin na lumipat sa NZ. Tama sila sobra hirap lang talaga maging SG citizen na ngayon kahit nga PR mahirap na rin kaya yung iba no choice talaga. Pero kahit siguro pa pipiliin uli kami na maging SG/NZ citizen ang pipiliin pa rin namin maging NZ citizen dahil unang una mas less stress kami dito (work & life) at pansin ko mas less stress din mga bata(ive worked in a primary school in SG before kaya medyo pansin ko ang stress level nila at mga fees etc), family oriented sila na para lang din pinas. Nagbibigay din sila ng allowance once bagong panganak misis mo at walang babayaran on delivery of the baby except for parking. Another thing is gusto kasi namin ni misis mag travel(long drive,camping outdoors,fishing,nature) were just a few drive from the beach. Mas mataas nga talaga ang Tax nila pero gayon paman mas mataas ang offer ng sahod nila dito(from our position) compared sa sahod namin sa SG mas less na din shopping ni misis(YES!) kasi maaga mag sara mga shops so mas malaki pa talaga na i-ipon namin. Mas naging simple pa lifestyle namin actually compared nung nasa SG pa kami, nakakatuwa nga yung ibang mga tao kasi yung iba naka paa lang kahit nasa loob ng mall hehe . Their education isnt as bad infact from the school i've worked from SG ,our Principal and some teachers visited schools in NZ and they are amazed how good the education system NZ has. Their health benefits are great too in par with Canada and Aus. People here are amazing, they smile at you a lot even if they dont know you. The weather from which we are staying is perfect. Summer here is not that hot, winter aint as cold as Canada(walang snow dito samin but there's a 3 hour drive if we want to experience it) .We just really love the place I think that's what me and my wife fell in love. It's better to try and visit the place yourself at observe mo nalang kung ito ba ang life at place na gusto mo. Once gusto kasi ng isa hindi ibig sabihin gusto rin ng iba. It all depends on you.

Suddenly_Susan

@bobong natawa ako - "kerida" haha.

rose.lyn_12

I like this thread Literally read all comments. Thank you guys sa lahat ng information.
Dahil sa ganitong type of community nakakatulong din kayo kahit papano sa mga kagaya ko na nag iisip what should I do in the future.

Thanks againg

Tonski

Isa pa sa nagustuhan ko dito 1 day approval lang ang pag kuha ng sasakyan. Yung iba nga parang katumbas nga lang ng 1-3 na iphone ang presyo ng sasakyan dito hehe. Weekly/forthnight ang bayad depende sayo. Normal lang talaga dito may mga sasakyan kasi nga hindi maganda ang transport system nila dito. Mas ok pa nga sa pinas kasi may jeep at tricycle hahaha.

Suddenly_Susan

Top 25 best governments...

worldatlas.com/articles/the-best-governments-in-the-world.html
Switzerland 1
New Zealand 2
Denmark 3
Sweden 4
Finland 5
Luxembourg 6
Canada 7
Norway 8
United Kingdom 9
Australia 10
United States 11
Netherlands 12
Singapore 13
Ireland 14
Austria 15
Germany 16
Belgium 17
Iceland 18
Japan 19
France 20
Malta 21
Hong Kong 22
Estonia 23
Chile 24
Cyprus 25

kent_moore

I left Singapore because I got a job offer in the US. SG could've been a perfect place kung hindi lang talaga mahigpit sa mga foreigners. Me and and my wife were both PR but our kids aren't. That alone don't make real sense to me. Eventually, I have to send my kids back to Pinas. It was a tough situation for us. I lived in Singapore for 10 years.

Been living in the states for almost 3 years now and the best decision I've ever made. In this part of states where we live, cost of living is still manageable. Houses and cars are cheap while salary is way better than SG. We need 2 cars here (for ma and my wife) as transportation system virtually do not exist here. We bought a house a year ago, it was such damn big house with a damn big backyard with private pool/spa for a price of an executive condo in SG. Hoping we could get a green card soon so we ca stay here permanently. There's really nothing much to ask for.

Oh and one last thing, we work from 9AM to 5PM here, working in extended hours are discouraged. In SG, I work 14 hours average in a day. When I went home, I only have few minutes to play with my kids (if they're still awake), then another hour for dinner then sleep, and the cycle continues the next day. Weekend is also not assurance of a "family day". Here in the US, I usually reach home around 5.20PM, there's plenty of time to attend my family, plenty of time to do the chores, plenty of time to clean my pool and backyard..heck I can even afford to sit in my patio and think nothing for 2 hours and I will still have a good 7 hours of sleep.

carpejem

@kent_moore Good choice! Inspirational!

Suddenly_Susan

@kent_moore tsong what part of the US ka? galeng...

pandawong25

Totoo yan kabayan pahigpit na ang mga requirements sa Aussid at NZ hanggang ngaun nga-nga pa kami ng husband ko medical at visa waiting p rin. 10 more months pa Welcome to Aussie na.. pero sa ngaun ipon muna dito sa SG mahirap magsimula nka nga2 at na ngangapa kami pagdating Aussie.. kaya malaki help din dito nakapag work sa SG nkakaipon ng sapat...

PayutenyoDAgimas

if you get govt support, whether for your children or for your family as a whole, it only means one thing. you are low income.

its not something to be proud of

carpejem

@PayutenyoDAgimas - daytoy man nagan mo made me to comment & LOL.